Hi
Sorry this has possible been covered a million times but I am struggling a little.
I have a Carminat tomtom map version Europe V1105.11755 the clock has gone AWOL, so I down loaded a new navcore to get PNDnavigaitor Navcore is 8843, I have PND navigator, I have fastactivate.
I have a clock now BUT no map, it tell me I can't use this map 103649 on this device.
put the old card back in work ok, but no clock! going around in circles.
Now it seem to me the issue may be in map meta data. in the fastactivate Meta txt file I do not see 103649 is that what I am looking for as a meta data line for my map?
In my Europe map folder I have got:
Europe-103469.meta file
Europ-103469.meta.mct file

But when I try to use a text editor to read them it's gives pages of odd symbols so clearly text editor does not know how to handle the file, so I have come to a halt with it, as I seem to be going around in circles now. It is almost there but not quite but I am now failing to see where is is wrong or If I am on the right track I don't know where to find the correct meta file, this morning alone I have now spent 4 hours trying and searching.
It's rather frustrating!
Could anyone point out the obvious please as I am now failing to see it.
Thank you.

The problem is not related to the meta code but to PNDnavigator

You say that if you put the old card back in, everything works apart from the clock...to fix this issue there are a couple of solutions:

post201787.html#p201787

or

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This is were it got quite in-depth.
I don't use Tomtom home apart from when I was paying for updates, it is all done in Windows Explorer, as I have done many times making a new card.
My original card well not original OE it came off a well known auction site. did not have PND navigator on it it did have well does (I have not touched this card as it works) it has TTSytem on it, which I believe can't be adjusted to make the clock work.
I first tried to put a new Navcore on (8843) and run the clock fix, but the carminat reads can't use this map on this device, (clock works) after a few attempts I started to wonder if it is the SD I got from the auction site, so I formatted it again and this time did a straight Control A & C and then V from the working card onto the fresh SD, in theory I now have a working SD but no clock, off to Meagain I go and I get red screen can't use this map on this device????? I am thinking that maybe this working SD possibly has some cloning files that can't be copied over, swap them over and nav works ok, odd!
next step MAKE A NEW ONE, can't be that hard..... Mmmmm
Now format new SD again, copy navcore (8843) onto SD and unpack it on SD, I have downloaded Europe V11.70 so pop the zip folder onto SD and unpack it, delete both Zip files, change tsystem to ttsystem, copy FastActivate to SD (all unpacked in the SD root) and run it. it updates Meta ok, but when you press 2 to patch/activate maps it comes back the a DCT error, all speed cam report as ok thought. it updates Navcore ok. Back in the car with the new SD, it loads, clock is back, no red screen (a step forward) but I get the message no maps. So almost there, I am just missing a step somewhere, I keep retracing but I just can't spot it.
I have copied from this site the list of Meta codes for 1170 and will tonight paste it into the Meta text file.

Now to be honest with you.
1) The PND navigator was patched on a French site from a link on here and I have been copying the "patched" Navigator file onto my card and replacing the one put it because it was and is all about the clock fix..... Do you think this may be my issue.
2) Does FastActivate patch the Clock or do I do that manually after.
3) After copying the Meta data from this site and pasting it into the meta text file for 1170, will updating meta in fastactivate update MY SD card or will it rewrite the meta file and wipe out the 1170 lines?

Sorry but I find it frustrating partly because I don't really understand the file structures and naming regimes, I did a lot as a young man in IT support for Microsoft and Cisco but now in the evening of my life and left root folders and routing table way back in the past, it's bit of a steep learning curve, I kind of finally know now how people felt on the other end of the phone to me.

Because I am going over it now so many times I can no longer see the woods for the trees if you know what I mean, it is going to be something simple that have either done or not done I just can't see it yet

Sorry the reply is so long I wanted to try and get over the steps and results as clearly as I can to you.

Thanks for your time and help.

I found that quite confusing...and I've never updated a Carminat system myself but I can give you some suggestions:

1. Forget about the clock problem for the moment and concentrate on getting the system working with the map first
2. The DCT error on the Europe 1170 map is straight forward. The Carminat Europe map should be version 1170.13175 and there is no meta code released for that map which is why you get the DCT error
3. If you get the error 'you cannot use this map on this device' this usually means that ttsystem or PNDnavigator hasn't been patched by FastActivate option 3
4. If you are using a different meta.txt file...rename it to mymeta.txt and try again or you can use this one: [Please Register or Login to download file]

I would make a copy of the working SD card, making sure that PNDnavigator or ttsystem is patched by FastActivate option 3 and using the old Europe V1105.11755 map which should already be activated. If not, activate with the above mymeta.txt file. If all goes well you should have a working copy of your original SD card BUT the clock won't work when you try it in the car. In this case all you need to do is to fix the clock by watching the youtube link in my previous post above...download the file in the description and follow the instructions, it looks simple enough to do.

If all of that is good and working (including the clock), you can now concentrate on getting a newer map than the v1105 you currently have, which I'm guessing will be v1110

Thank you, sorry for the confusion, I tried to give the process and result step by step as they were done, I think it was my IT training taking over, apologies
I thought it was to do with Meta code (I read that some were on here) but trawling through the meta's on this site I thought I had picked them up for 1170, I have found:

AB 8A A1 3B 49 EB AE F5 07 24 B8 74 A2 D9 14 A1 Central_Europe-104900.meta ; Central_Europe 1170_13180
And at least 3to 4 other lines, inside the map folder I have a file named Europe_104900.meta

Am I reading the meta right in this example? I have a Europe map 1170_13180 which is the same as the meta line above, in the meta line it also references 104900 of which I have a file inside the Europe folder with the reference, just want to make sure what I am looking at so when I go to v1110 I know what to look for as there are so many meta codes it may help if I knew how they were referencing.

I shall try that, I have Europe 1170_13180 downloaded at present, but I shall revert back to my working SD, I started on this track not so much to update the map which would be an extra bonus but more to get that clock back, it is surprising how much you actually use that clock with out realising, the realisation happens when it has gone.
When I looked into the clock and changing the Hex code no problem, apart from I don't have PNDnavigator on my working card, instead it has TTsystem only and the hex lines are different in that file I could not find any info into patching/changing the ttsys file in connection with the missing clock.
The one thing I don't understand. I do a Windows Explorer back up of the complete SD card as fall back, so I check the box to reveal hidden files, and then copy the the lot over to a file on my desk top, I did this with t he original OE card when I bought the car 8 years ago, 2 year later it was required I think the wife pop out the SD when she was getting her sunglasses so it then went into a tail spin and lost its maps connection, all I did to restore it was delete all files on SD and then do a straight copy from the folder on my PC desktop all working again bar a few favourites had to be put back in.

With this Europe map I bought, I did the same process copy to all to folder on desk top. When I started questioning myself, I reverted to step by step testing, I took the new SD card, formatted it, did a straight copy from the folder on the desk top to the new SD exactly as I had done before with original OE UK Northern Ireland map it had, exactly the same steps so in theory that Europe card should of gone in and worked as it is a direct copy. the tomtom should no different as it has all the same files on the new card, I didn't interfere with it add any new files, no new navcore, nothing a straight for straight copy, yet it reports back can't use this map on this device, big red screen, yet it is a direct copy, no tomtom home involved at all, that is strange as is should work, pop in the original Europe card works a fine, so this Europe card can't be copied and used on another SD maybe the seller has put some kind of copy block on it.
I shall have a go with the working files tonight to see what that gives me, shame I can't get the 1170_13180 to work as that was so close and no red screen AND a clock just pointless as navigation as no maps.

Oh one more question, the Europe folder in the root, the down loaded one has Europe 1170_13180, on the working SD the Europe folder on the root is called just Europe, do the numbers need to be removed as I know how sensitive sys files can be in looking at folders.

Again thanks for your time and patience. I am reaching giving up point in case you think this will go on for a life time (it feels like that already) I think I have lost the knack I had as a young man of spotting coding and file associations, it has all moved on so much, more than I thought.

It is getting close to buying an over priced card with v1145 + clock fix as I seem to be clearly outof my depth.

As I said before, I have no real world experience with Carminat so the best thing to do is to read the following thread:

topic22701.html

Thanks but different instructions again,
The links for yDGpatch are old and no longer working, someone asked about ttuser tools back in 2023 and was asked why they wanted to use old outdated tools.
I read this post before I started down this road and found none of the links usable, hence the use of fastactivate. Which there is no mention of in 2023 in this post.
Thanks for the help though at the moment it all seems to be dead ends and information about file name association seems scarce.
I shall step away till weekend as I am too close to see the problem, but I will crack it it will just take longer than I am use to.
Thanks again.

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The yDGpatch application is for standard and not for SE patching!
It does not give 'Special Features' to devices that is in SE versions.
HOW TO - Simply navigate to the required TTSystem or PNDNavigator file and apply.
IMPORTANT - If you have a PNDNavigator file, patch it - not the TTSystem file.
Windows Vista and Windows 7 Users - You may need to: "Run As" Administrator!
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@ pe1agp.
Thanks for the help and redirecting me down the right path, all seems to be working fine and clock has also returned.
I thought this would be a rather simple task especially with my background although rather a long time back but it turned into a tsunami of fails, it was really frustrating more with myself than anything for making such a meal of it.
I never realised how annoying an SD card could be.
So again a big thanks for shunting me in the right direction probably also helped by a step away for a few days, as you tend to get into a loop trying the same thing over and over and no suprise it didn't work, step away helps break the loop and your pointer did the trick..
Nice one for getting an "oldie" to see the light.

I am glad I could help you in a simple way.
Feel free to browse around the server; there is a second one available, but that contains all maps going back 1 or 2 versions.

The URL should be available here in the TomTom Maps 1170 section.

It,s quite a new world, navcores and map file names, even figuring out which device you have as in Nav 1 or 2 I guessed at nav 2 in my megane it's was registered in 2011 so in the rota should be tomtom live but it isn't I reckon because it is a GTLine cabrio it was built 2010 a stored until someone wanted one, and in 2011 they did, these days they build it as it's wanted.
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It was nice and frustrating at the same time to learn something new although my understanding is still kind of how did that happen instead of knowing how, but now the pressure is off if you like I may well play around with another SD card to try and work out what looks at what files.
To be honest the simple points sometimes are the ones you miss and you provided that small opening.
That small opening was a great help.

I have been active on various TomTom sites for quite some time.

But since my regular buddy Biggerdave suddenly disappeared from the radar at GPSurl.com, my activity has dropped to virtually zero.
For a few years, we tried to keep everything running smoothly there, until suddenly the news came that he had had a minor accident; a short time later, it went completely silent.
At my request, Fredderf then tried to make contact at his home address somewhere in London, but it remained deafeningly silent, even though he was always very active.

Good luck with your navigation; don't hesitate to ask a question.