Primo 2.4 speed cameras disappeared (?!)

Guys,

I am really ashamed, but I simply can not find the solution online and I really need your help. I have a WinCE head unit running iGo Primo 2.4 (9.6.13.405512) without any skins. I managed to install speed camera warnings and they worked perfectly! Icons, annoying beeping, everything what you can imagine. Now one day my SD card got corrupted and I had to start everything from scratch.

This time I got one step further, I added 3D landscapes to my current maps and I was charmed. However I quickly realized something is missing... yes, the speed cameras. Situation is the same after I removed the .DEM file, switching back to the "original" config.

Facts:
- Speed camera databases (*.TXT, talking about 2 different versions) are reliable, downloaded from this site, were working before
- Before trying I always deleted all files under the speedcam folder, forcing Primo to rebuild the database
- After the first long startup, database files are rebuilt correctly, having reasonable sizes (~5 MB for full Europe)
- Satellite lock - check
- Alert Point settings available, Visual and Audio enabled for all kind of cameras
- Alert Points must work, as I get the icons and beeping for pedestrian crossings etc.

One important thing to add, I had no backup copy of my sys.txt, so I tried to re-create the same. It looks like this:



So... did any of you meet this issue before? Any ideas what I should check / try?
Any help is deeply appreciated, rewarding an Oreo cookie with a glass of milk for the one who helps (shipping fee is on you )

Two important questions: Do you speak of demo mode or real routing? Do ypu have satellite lock?

Hello,

Normal routing mode (demo is disabled), and satellite lock was acquired already. I gave up yesterday so I went to sleep but this morning speedcams showed up again! I really have no clue what is happening. As a test I'm putting back the .DEM file, but I doubt that caused the issue.
Do you guys know about any log file what I could check to see what exactly is going on, just to know how to fix it?

Cheers!

I'd be interested in knowing how to have iGo create a logfile as well. When it crashes, it will create "crash.txt", but there is no log file (by default) when it doesn't crash (but you still have an issue that needs investigating).

I do remember seeing a sys.txt entry that will create a log file, but I can't remember what it was off of the top of my head and I've never tried it personally.

I do know that you can have it create an Application log file from within the settings menu (Settings->Log Collection->Application Usage Information ), but from what I remember, that is not a plain-text log file and requires some kind of application to read the file. I also don't know exactly what kind of information it logs or the detail level.

Sure would be nice to have a "general" system log file (plain text) to review when you have issues that don't cause a complete crash! Anyone know of a way?

I'll do some digging to see if I can find the sys.txt entry I'm referring to and also test it to see what it does.

Here you go, the sys.txt logfile entry DOES work! :-)

You need to add this line to the [DEBUG] section of your sys.txt:

Code:

log_1="\SD Memory\nng\debug.log::5"

Obviously, you need to replace the path to the path of your Primo directory. Not sure what the ::5 at the end does or means - I'm assuming it's some sort of "verbosity" level - haven't really messed with it at all yet.

Here are the first few lines of the log file, just so you have an idea of what it generates:

Code:

[05:00:25(137)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19127 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 2 ms
[05:00:25(182)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19181 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 54 ms
[05:00:25(194)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19193 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 12 ms
[05:00:25(206)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19206 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 13 ms
[05:00:25(237)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19236 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 30 ms
[05:00:25(254)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19253 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 17 ms
[05:00:25(267)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19266 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 13 ms
[05:00:25(273)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19273 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 7 ms
[05:00:25(680)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19679 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 406 ms
[05:00:25(700)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19699 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 20 ms
[05:00:25(719)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19718 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 19 ms
[05:00:25(732)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19731 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 13 ms
[05:00:25(745)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19744 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 13 ms
[05:00:25(764)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19763 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 19 ms
[05:00:25(777)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19776 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 13 ms
[05:00:25(790)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19789 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 13 ms
[05:00:25(817)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19816 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 27 ms
[05:00:26(833)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19832 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 16 ms
[05:00:26(851)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19850 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 18 ms
[05:00:26(874)     statmanager warning -                               ] retval: 0 addr: 0ebbfc10
[05:00:26(893)     statmanager warning -                               ]  == Calculator ==properties: 00  mValue: 0
[05:00:26(906)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19905 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 55 ms
[05:00:26(919)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19918 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 13 ms
[05:00:26(938)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19937 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 19 ms
[05:00:26(964)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 19963 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 26 ms
[05:00:26(984)            main notice -                               ] Window RESTORED
[05:00:26(098)             gui notice -                               ] SetFullScreen true
[05:00:26(121)            main notice -                               ] set focus start (focused: 0)
[05:00:26(136)            main notice -                               ] Window RESTORED
[05:00:26(149)             gui notice -                               ] SetFullScreen true
[05:00:26(174)            main notice -                               ] set focus done
[05:00:26(187)            main notice -                               ] MAINWINDOW_IMP::InitTheWindow() mBackgroundStartup=0
[05:00:26(215)            main notice -                               ] Window RESTORED
[05:00:26(234)             gui notice -                               ] SetFullScreen true
[05:00:26(267)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 20266 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 303 ms
[05:00:26(285)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 20284 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 18 ms
[05:00:26(299)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 20298 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 14 ms
[05:00:26(320)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 20319 ms: IntroStatus: 4%, ConfigReady, Elapsed in previous status: 21 ms
[05:00:26(377)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 20376 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 57 ms
[05:00:26(390)            main notice -                               ] GPSAPP::CreateSurface() enter.
[05:00:26(409)             gui notice -                               ] GUI_WINMAIN::GetConfiguration(): Detected display size (800,480)
[05:00:26(422)             gui notice -                               ] GUI_WINMAIN::GetConfiguration(): SysConfig modified highres value: 1
[05:00:26(435)             gui notice -                               ] GUI_WINMAIN::GetConfiguration(): SysConfig modified display size (800,480)
[05:00:26(448)             gui notice -                               ] GUI_WINMAIN::GetConfiguration(): Returning highres = 0
[05:00:26(467)            main notice -                               ] Preferred orientation: 0 (0 - auto, 1 - portrait, 2 - rlandscape, 3 - upsidedown, 4 - landscape)
[05:00:26(490)            main notice -                               ] DisplayConfig: [800x480],h:0,d:0
[05:00:26(511)        timezone notice -                               ] Theme path:'ui_igo9\800_480'
[05:00:26(524)        timezone notice -                               ] Theme common path:'ui_igo9\common'
[05:00:26(543)        timezone notice -                               ] Addons path:'ui_igo9\addons'
[05:00:26(558)            main  error -                               ] SetWindow (Orientation:4, bDoubleMode:0)
[05:00:26(596)            main notice -                               ] Using resolution dir 800_480
[05:00:26(609)             gui notice -                               ] GUI_WINMAIN::GetConfiguration(): Detected display size (800,480)
[05:00:26(628)             gui notice -                               ] GUI_WINMAIN::GetConfiguration(): SysConfig modified highres value: 1
[05:00:26(641)             gui notice -                               ] GUI_WINMAIN::GetConfiguration(): SysConfig modified display size (800,480)
[05:00:26(654)             gui notice -                               ] GUI_WINMAIN::GetConfiguration(): Returning highres = 0
[05:00:26(667)            main notice -                               ] Window RESTORED
[05:00:26(702)            main notice -                               ] CreateSurface: Using driver: SURFACE_GDI
[05:00:26(718)            main notice -                               ] CreateSurface: bIsPortraitHardware = 0
[05:00:26(730)            main notice -                               ] CreateSurface: bIsPortraitSoftware = 0
[05:00:26(746)            main notice -                               ] CreateSurface: nRotationAngle = 0, mGUISizeXY: [800,480], mSurfaceSizeXY: [800,480], bDoubleMode = 0
[05:00:26(771)            main notice -                               ] CreateSurface: pSurface->Configure returned
[05:00:26(785)            main notice -                               ] GPSAPP::CreateSurface() exit.
[05:00:26(804)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 20803 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 427 ms
[05:00:26(819)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 20818 ms: IntroScreen is started
[05:00:27(362)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 21361 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 543 ms
[05:00:27(380)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:27(417)              vg notice -                               ] TTS_DEBUG_HELPER::Init_Startup
[05:00:27(445)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 21444 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 83 ms
[05:00:27(463)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:27(483)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 21482 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 38 ms
[05:00:27(496)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:27(518)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 21517 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 35 ms
[05:00:27(531)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:27(555)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 21554 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 37 ms
[05:00:27(568)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:27(589)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 21588 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 34 ms
[05:00:27(601)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:27(617)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 21616 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 28 ms
[05:00:27(635)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:27(649)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 21648 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 32 ms
[05:00:27(661)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:27(680)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 21679 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 31 ms
[05:00:27(693)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:27(724)         network notice -                               ] Current quota: remaining monthly bytes -1, daily bytes 4294967295 - Turndate: (null)
[05:00:28(865)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 21864 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 185 ms
[05:00:28(884)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:28(913)         network notice -                               ] cellcore.dll could not be loaded
[05:00:28(926)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 21925 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 61 ms
[05:00:28(944)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:28(985)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 21984 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 59 ms
[05:00:28(990)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:28(010)       sound_bgp notice -                               ] STD_EXTERNAL_MUTING_DEVICE not added: flag1=0 flag2=0
[05:00:28(029)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 22028 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 44 ms
[05:00:28(041)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:28(054)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 22053 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 25 ms
[05:00:28(072)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:28(085)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 22084 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 31 ms
[05:00:28(098)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:28(111)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 22110 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 26 ms
[05:00:28(129)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:28(145)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 22144 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 34 ms
[05:00:28(157)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:28(254)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 22253 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 109 ms
[05:00:28(266)            main notice -                               ] IntroStatus() focus set. backgroundStartup=0, g_WinWasAtFocusBeforeRestart=0
[05:00:28(297)            repo notice -                               ] Implementation HAL_POWER_DRIVER (for IPOWER_DRIVER::NAME()) is not available
[05:00:28(316)           power notice -                               ] WINCE_POWER_DRIVER begin create
[05:00:28(328)           power notice -                               ] WINCE_POWER_DRIVER successfully created
[05:00:28(342)            repo notice -                               ] Implementation HAL_BACKLIGHT_DRIVER (for IBACKLIGHT_DRIVER::NAME()) is not available
[05:00:28(357)       backlight notice -                               ] wince backlight init
[05:00:28(376)       backlight  error -                               ] SET BKL mode: 1
[05:00:28(391)       backlight notice -                               ] setting method #1
[05:00:28(406)       backlight  error -                               ] SET BKL mode: 1
[05:00:28(418)       backlight notice -                               ] setting method #5
[05:00:28(431)       backlight  error -                               ] SET BKL mode: 1
[05:00:28(443)       backlight notice -                               ] setting method #7
[05:00:28(461)       backlight notice -                               ] setting event #1
[05:00:28(472)       backlight notice -                               ] setting event #2
[05:00:28(486)       backlight notice -                               ] backlight dim is not supported
[05:00:28(497)            repo notice -                               ] Implementation HAL_BATTERY (for IBATTERY::NAME()) is not available
[05:00:28(508)       backlight notice -                               ] IsBacklightSupported: 1
[05:00:28(533)       backlight notice -                               ] wince backlight set sensor: 0
[05:00:28(545)       backlight notice -                               ] setting backlight sensor with mode 1
[05:00:28(557)       backlight notice -                               ] setting backlight sensor with mode 5
[05:00:28(569)       backlight notice -                               ] setting backlight sensor with mode 7
[05:00:28(584)       backlight notice -                               ] wince backlight set value: 100%
[05:00:28(603)       backlight notice -                               ] emulate DIM OFF: 100
[05:00:28(624)       backlight notice -                               ] wince backlight set dim (dim not support method): 0
[05:00:28(644)       backlight notice -                               ] getting backlight value with method: 1 (BA:-1, AC:-1)
[05:00:28(660)       backlight notice -                               ] getting backlight value with method: 5 (BA:6873684, AC:6873684)
[05:00:28(679)       backlight notice -                               ] getting backlight value with method: 7 (BA:0, AC:0)
[05:00:28(692)       backlight notice -                               ] backlight system settings stored
[05:00:28(705)       backlight notice -                               ] wince backlight query is timeout supported: 1
[05:00:28(718)           power notice -                               ] POWER_MANAGER::UpdatePowersaveMode prev 0 to 0
[05:00:28(733)       backlight notice -                               ] wince backlight set value: 100%
[05:00:28(755)           power notice -                               ] POWER found valid and starting
[05:00:28(768)           power notice -                               ] Starting WINCE_POWER_DRIVER...
[05:00:28(781)           power notice -                               ] WINCE_POWER_DRIVER THREAD STARTED
[05:00:28(788)           power notice -                               ] POWER thread started
[05:00:28(801)           power notice -                               ] POWER found valid and started OK
[05:00:29(835)           power notice -                               ] PowerThreadProc acquired ThreadServer
[05:00:29(848)            main notice -                               ] Checkpoint at 22841 ms: IntroStatus: 21%, Startup, Elapsed in previous status: 588 ms

Should help to debug issues!

EDIT: just looked through this logfile in detail. This will come in VERY handy to troubleshoot those little issues that you may run into with Primo! Will be invaluable in troubleshooting issues with new skins, missing files, corrupt files, TTS issues, etc.. Can't believe I didn't try this earlier! Very valuable info in this log. I wish I knew what the ::5 meant at the end. I wonder what can be specified between the colons as well. Anyone have any more info on this sys.txt entry?

Thank you very much, will definitely give the debugging option a shot, maybe we can extract some handy information here. As for my part, big surprise: after I put the .dem file back speedcams disappeared again!
I simply don't want to believe that they interfere with each other. I left the unit as it is, will cruise around for a couple of weeks and then I'll remove it again just to be sure... is speedcams and 3D landmarks are this big to ask for in the same time?

Very strange that a .dem file would interfere with speedcams. That being said, there are usually multiple different "versions" of .dem files for each area. Maybe try a different dem file and see what happens. What country are we talking about here?

I see only one reason and that is lack of memory, showing when DEM and speedcam file are active. When DEM is loaded it eats memory.
Solution can be a smaller DEM or no DEM and skip all things that need memory. (how-to-f128/how-solve-memory-issues-t915.html)

If it is in fact a memory issue, I would expect that it would be identified in the log file - so make sure to try running with .dem and speedcams while the log file is active - that would probably tell you what's going on. The log file is pretty damn detailed. I've been running with logging enabled just for testing purposes. Also nice to see exactly how street names are coded in map files (in order to correct TTS-related issues) - the log file prints each street name as it's processed through the TTS engine.

To be completely honest I did not want to agree with you guys. Today however changed my view a little bit.

I went on my usual training and - as always if I have nothing else to do - I launched iGo on the head unit. Even after the first corner everything started to beep and flash - I did not even realize but the speedcams came back to life. With the 3D terrain installed and active.
I am a true beginner if it comes to iGo but I know some stuff on how Windows platform works. Maybe if I launched something else on the head unit and THEN iGo - bang, no memory to load the speedcams after DEM. A clean boot - only the shell and iGo running - it might work. This however still raises some questions in my mind...

- Is there anyone who was able to make a snapshot of iGo running, about how much memory it uses?
- I have 110 MB set as a limit in my sys.txt. Why I did not meet the usual "Out of memory" error if I decided to simply overload the software?
- Does iGo loads all files, or loads them only when it needs them? For example, I have 3D buildings and landmarks on the SD card, but disabled in Map View.

I'll definitely turn on logging now to see what exactly is happening in the background.. would be nice to know

Loads everything at once. Not when it needs it. That's why we always talk about loading too much content when the nav is starting.

@chase21, what do you mean "Loads everything at once"? No system has enough memory to load everything at once. I know both of us still have old MIOs with only 64Mb and Primo runs fine on them.

You asked and I told you. If you don't believe me what can I say? Everything is loaded into RAM memory but does not become visual until required. This is why memory issues happen.

The questions is what is "everything"? Your "everything" cannot be everything!

"Everything" is every map related file (pbl-poi-3dc-3dl-dem-speedcam-fda-fpa-... did I forget some?) that is in the content folder and covers the area (how big is the area? I do not know) you are in. More files means more space as bigger files (e.g. DEM) do as well. Maybe you don't see why, but bigger file means more detail and that specific detail is wanted when/why?

Add the full language-voice (TTS?)-scheme-... files that you selected and also have a size. You must realize that again all those files require space and the more space is filled with these files (e.g. a bigger/smaller language file reflects in the translation, bigger voice file means better speech) compared to the total memory and work memory ...
Not to forget an amount of memory is used for loading/unloading when you drive. Certainly not to forget the program itself with the selected options and skins.
BTW, in the past IGO8 did load the full data.zip, thus every resolution. If Primo does the same, it might help to delete the unneeded resolution files in data.zip (and branding.zip if you have an extended one)
And finally (? or not?), what is running in the background that uses the very same memory? It may not be a program you started, but is started by the firmware, a GPS module or something.